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As most of you who spend time in the mail with me know, I have no problem with movie!Faramir - in fact, I am quite besotted with him, though he will never be book!Faramir for me. That's only partly to do with movie plot, it has much more to do with nearly fourty years of the image in my own head.
But, while I don't struggle with the movie interpretation of Faramir, I am getting more and more annoyed listening to the commentary from Peter, Fran and Phillipa. You made a choice, don't get all defensive about it now!
And good grief, the visuals and dialog in the movie allow me to give Faramir, in my own interpretation, in my own head - the strength I know he has, and that I *need* his mythic avatar to have. So just stop explaining, because the more you do, the more pissed off I am getting.
I am *crazed* at Peter talking about Faramir's ring temptation, which visually I never see -- and I would like to keep it that way, thanks! I watched the scene with the sword tip and the ring. I never hear the ring call Faramir by name. What I see is Frodo getting crazed
Fileg puts fingers in ears and concentrates on the sound of Faramir's voice saying "I am wise enough to know that there are some perils from which a man must flee."
I have been trying since last December to say this coherently, but here is part of a note Azalais wrote to the Henneth Annun mailing list:
given that in the EE they'd set us up with Denethor's assumption that Faramir is too weak to handle the Ring, it would have been fantastic to show F as too *strong* to contemplate taking it. Huge opportunity lost :(
That's it -- that's what I have been trying to say. Not all temptation is about giving in. Thank you, Azalais!
I just came in from watching the director's commentary, and at the end, Fran or Phillipa talks about Sam's speech - how there is still some good in this world, and goes on to say there are some things that are just inviolable, above the dark. Yes, there are - and Faramir is my avatar for that. How can you say this and not get it?
And while I am having a moment of personal melt down - Boromir in the boat is Not a dream.
ok, I think I feel better now.
But, while I don't struggle with the movie interpretation of Faramir, I am getting more and more annoyed listening to the commentary from Peter, Fran and Phillipa. You made a choice, don't get all defensive about it now!
And good grief, the visuals and dialog in the movie allow me to give Faramir, in my own interpretation, in my own head - the strength I know he has, and that I *need* his mythic avatar to have. So just stop explaining, because the more you do, the more pissed off I am getting.
I am *crazed* at Peter talking about Faramir's ring temptation, which visually I never see -- and I would like to keep it that way, thanks! I watched the scene with the sword tip and the ring. I never hear the ring call Faramir by name. What I see is Frodo getting crazed
Fileg puts fingers in ears and concentrates on the sound of Faramir's voice saying "I am wise enough to know that there are some perils from which a man must flee."
I have been trying since last December to say this coherently, but here is part of a note Azalais wrote to the Henneth Annun mailing list:
given that in the EE they'd set us up with Denethor's assumption that Faramir is too weak to handle the Ring, it would have been fantastic to show F as too *strong* to contemplate taking it. Huge opportunity lost :(
That's it -- that's what I have been trying to say. Not all temptation is about giving in. Thank you, Azalais!
I just came in from watching the director's commentary, and at the end, Fran or Phillipa talks about Sam's speech - how there is still some good in this world, and goes on to say there are some things that are just inviolable, above the dark. Yes, there are - and Faramir is my avatar for that. How can you say this and not get it?
And while I am having a moment of personal melt down - Boromir in the boat is Not a dream.
ok, I think I feel better now.
Faramir and Temptation
(Anonymous) 2003-11-23 01:53 am (UTC)(link)I too don't mind movie-Faramir, even though he is not book-Faramir, because he does work cinematically (except his comment to Frodo that they understand each other still feels like a non-sequitur from everything we have seen up to that point).
Fileg puts fingers in ears and concentrates on the sound of Faramir's voice saying "I am wise enough to know that there are some perils from which a man must flee."
Me too! It's the one line from the book I really wish they had put in.
Listening to some of the EE DVD extras, I did find it slightly reassuring they felt they didn't spend enough time exploring alternatives (or as much as they had for some other characters, at least) - but as they still seemed to be labouring under the misapprehension that book-Faramir is never tempted by the ring, I have little hope they would have done things in a vastly different way.
Cheers, Liz/Alsotanaqui
(PS, glad to see your four lovely arcana drabbles were accepted on HASA.)
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I am trying at the moment to keep my head clear for RoTK (though it now looks like it may be another year to get the full effect of what I need to see).
Whatever they do, at this point shallow as it seems, I will always be grateful for David Wenham in the White Tree leathers!
Thanks for noticing the drabbles. I am afraid I sent them to review with the idea of raising a few hackles, and I was very surprised not to encounter any real opposition to the form. Hasa never ceases to better my expectations, and I seem to do my best work there. I miss the on-line challenges very much - they always sweep me up in the excitement of the moment.